In this Episode:
Recently described by a Washington Post writer as “the most impressive Democrat not running for president,” Stacey Abrams is arguably one of our nation’s fastest rising political stars. Abrams and host Steve Phillips, were introduced to one another 10 years ago and have been working together ever since to make this country more equitable. They discuss how to talk openly and directly about race, and this administration’s—and this nation’s—racism and history of white supremacy this election cycle without losing white voters. Other topics: X, Y, and favorite soap opera characters from the 80s. Co-host Sharline Chiang joins them in the conversation.